Talk: Food and Drink

Several issues[]

Shouldn't berries be listed as Fruits?
Shouldn't Meat be incorporated in the current page structure? Currently there are no thumbs for meat items, only a comparison table, which is outside of the comparison tables section.
I am not sure why we need entries for Raw Cow_Steak Cooked Cow Steak and Burned Cow Steak, instead of covering it by single entry Cow Steak.

--AnotherArk (talk) 01:04, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

1. yes they should 2. yes it should have thumbs 3. because they have different stats and effects similar to rotten fruits/normal fruits

--TheBlackDracula (talk) 09:43, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Comparison Tables[]

Couple of questions concerning the Comparison Tables:

Does the Energy values for each item, show per use Energy gain or total possible gain?
Any objection if we combine all the tables together? this way we can use sort to compare all food types.

--AnotherArk (talk) 01:14, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

probably for the whole item, but i didnt create these
not a fan of that, but if you have an idea to combine them and keep the different "item classes"

--TheBlackDracula (talk)

2. sure easy enough:

Example

Name	Type	Energy	Water	Stomach	Uses	Size
Canned Baked Beans	Canned Good	462 kcal	330 ml	440 ml	4 (25% each use)	1 Slot
Canned Peaches	Canned Good	1,360 kcal	350 ml	440 ml	4 (25% each use)	1 Slot
Canned Sardines	Canned Good	333 kcal	96 ml	160 ml	4 (25% each use)	1 Slot
Canned Spaghetti	Canned Good	300 kcal	324 ml	400 ml	4 (25% each use)	1 Slot
Canned Tuna	Canned Good	475 kcal	144 ml	240 ml	4 (25% each use)	1 Slot
Can of Tactical Bacon	Canned Good	107 kcal	3 ml	255 ml	4 (25% each use)	1 Slot
Powdered Milk	Dry Food	992 kcal	-400 ml	200 ml	10 (10% each use)	1 Slot
Rice	Dry Food	3,740 kcal	-1,000 ml	1,000 ml	10 (10% each use)	2 Slot (1x2)
Cereal\|Box of Cereal	Dry Food	930 kcal	-250 ml	250 ml	5 (20% each use)	4 Slot (2x2)
Apple	Fruit	69 kcal	172 ml	130 ml	1 (100% each use)	1 Slot
Banana	Fruit	151 kcal	128 ml	170 ml	1 (100% each use)	1 Slot
Kiwi	Fruit	42 kcal	59 ml	70 ml	1 (100% each use)	1 Slot
Orange	Fruit	71 kcal	131 ml	150 ml	1 (100% each use)	1 Slot
Tomato	Fruit	18 kcal	105 ml	111 ml	1 (100% each use)	1 Slot
Rotten Apple	Fruit	20 kcal	40 ml	100 ml	1 (100% each use)	1 Slot
Rotten Banana	Fruit	52 kcal	65 ml	130 ml	1 (100% each use)	1 Slot
Rotten Kiwi	Fruit	15 kcal	20 ml	50 ml	1 (100% each use)	1 Slot
Rotten Orange	Fruit	24 kcal	48 ml	120 ml	1 (100% each use)	1 Slot
Rotten Tomato	Fruit	8 kcal	105 ml	111 ml	1 (100% each use)	1 Slot
Green Pepper	Vegetable	33 kcal	154 ml	164 ml	1 (100% each use)	1 Slot
Potato	Vegetable	284 kcal	293 ml	369 ml	1 (100% each use)	1 Slot
Zucchini	Vegetable	51 kcal	306 ml	323 ml	2 (50% each use)	2 Slots (1x2)
Rotten Green Pepper	Vegetable	15 kcal	154 ml	164 ml	1 (100% each use)	1 Slot
Rotten Potato	Vegetable	100 kcal	293 ml	396 ml	1 (100% each use)	1 Slot
Rotten Zucchini	Vegetable	10 kcal	306 ml	323 ml	2 (50% each use)	2 Slots (1x2)
Red Berries	Berries	70 kcal	4 ml	40 ml	1 (100% each use)	1 Slot
Blue Berries	Berries	70 kcal	4 ml	40 ml	1 (100% each use)	1 Slot

k, i like this version, but maybe a spoiler around the whole table if it gets to big and a little note in cursive that explains the usage of the table (something like: klick in name to sort table etc)

--TheBlackDracula (talk)

Updating the tables[]

I found this spreadsheet of values from 0.49/0.48, going by the edit history here i believe that those value are more uptodate. Couple of questions:

Is there any objections if updated our table with the values here?
any idea what is the nutritionalIndex?
The current layout is a son of **** to maintain\update, will there be any problem if I replace it with template. So for example

Replacing this:

{| class="mw-collapsible sortable" style="width: 50%; box-shadow: 0px 0px 2px 2px DimGrey; border: 2px solid DimGrey; padding: 2px;"
|- style="background-color: DarkOrange; color: black;"
! Name
! data-sort-type="number" | Energy
! data-sort-type="number" | Water
! data-sort-type="number" | Stomach
! Uses
! Size
|- style="background-color: Gainsboro;"
| style="text-align: left;" | [[Red Berries]]
| style="text-align: right;" | 70 kcal
| style="text-align: right;" | 4 ml
| style="text-align: right;" | 40 ml
| style="text-align: center;" | 1 (100% each use)
| style="text-align: center;" | 1 Slot
|- style="background-color: Gainsboro;"
| style="text-align: left;" | [[Blue Berries]]
| style="text-align: right;" | 70 kcal
| style="text-align: right;" | 4 ml
| style="text-align: right;" | 40 ml
| style="text-align: center;" | 1 (100% each use)
| style="text-align: center;" | 1 Slot
|}

with this:

{{CompFood/start}}
{{CompFood|[[Red Berries]]|70 kcal|4 ml|40 ml|1 (100% each use)| 1 Slot}}
{{CompFood|[[Blue Berries]]|70 kcal|4 ml|40 ml| 1 (100% each use)| 1 Slot}}
{{CompFood/end}}

or

{{CompFood/start}}
{{CompFood|[[Red Berries]]|70|4|40|1 (100% each use)|1 Slot}}
{{CompFood|[[Blue Berries]]|70|4|40| 1 (100% each use)|1 Slot}}
{{CompFood/end}}

Except the syntax change, it will look and function identically, but also allow me to avoid anyone who want to update the info a lot of headache. --AnotherArk (talk) 22:46, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

simple templates are always good, but maybe a more general version that could also be used for weapon table etc--TheBlackDracula (talk)

I updated the template, and went over the values. It appears that this table is very well maintained and receives the 0.49 seal of approval.

As for the generic template. It is possible to make one that would take any number of parameters, even easier with little css (or even one that loads the values from the individual pages). But honestly at this point, it is quicker to do make a few of them with quick substations. Although if anyone want to, go ahead --AnotherArk (talk) 02:01, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

do you still gonna implement one single table?--TheBlackDracula (talk)

No, I am occupied with something else atm, if anyone else want to, then please go ahead.--AnotherArk (talk) 15:59, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

About Fat and other questions[]

Shouldn't Fat be listed together with Meats? it can be used with torches, but also can be used to cook and eaten for nutrition.
What does the "Nutr. Index" and "Toxicity" represents in the tables?
"Nutr. Index" and "Toxicity" seems to be used only on Drinks, could they be removed from the other tables for simplicity?
Can someone confirm "Water" value on Drinks, it seems odd that it occupy 1ml on "Stomach" and provides 1000ml "Water" per 100g ingested.
Do we know the nutrition values for Guts and Small Guts?

Comparison chart data[]

Wouldn't it be much more readable and intuitive if the charts only showed the effective energy/water/stomach volumes? I don't think the current quantity, stomach and the base energy/water have any meaningful value to the player. They're nice to know for modders, wiki editors etc. but those calculations shouldn't be much more than a sidenote on the page.